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livredor
Worrying news
Monday, 21 June 2004 at 02:31 pm
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I have just heard from my friend MK to tell me that he's been deported from the US. I have no further information than that other than that I assume he's ok, given they've deported him to Britain rather than some country where it would be problematic for him to be.

But argh. He was over there doing some research with collaborators at Cleveland and poses the least threat to national security anyone could possibly imagine. But deported?! This is the first time that the spectre of American security paranoia has touched me directly, and I'm really quite shocked.

In less melodramatic news, I now have Gmail invites, so if anyone wants, give me a shout; first come, first served. Bear in mind that at some stage in the proceedings I'll need an email address I can send them to.. All gone now!


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chickenfeet2003: death
From:chickenfeet2003
Date:June 21st, 2004 06:37 am (UTC)
4 minutes after journal entry, 01:37 am (chickenfeet2003's time)
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It's not the first ridiculous case that I have heard about. They probably got him on a highly technical visa infringement. They apply zero common sense and zero tolerance.
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livredor: teapot
From:livredor
Date:June 22nd, 2004 12:59 am (UTC)
18 hours after journal entry, 12:59 am (livredor's time)
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I've heard of far worse cases; at least this one is merely ridiculous. But this is the first time it's happened to someone I know. When I hear a news story or an internet rumour about some abuse by the US immigration people, it's counterbalanced by American friends telling me that I shouldn't be so ready to believe anti-American propaganda.

And yes, I have no doubt it was a technical bureaucratic problem; I really can't see MK actually doing anything illegal, but I can see him not being bothered with every last detail of required paperwork.
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hatam_soferet: default
From:hatam_soferet
Date:June 21st, 2004 08:09 am (UTC)
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Yeah, if you want stories about idiot visa officials, I've got one. Before I can have a visa to permit me to enter the US, they want proof that Will is planning to live there - in the form of a lease agreement - quite how he's supposed to sign a long-term lease without his new wife there is, apparently, not considered.
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livredor: mask
From:livredor
Date:June 21st, 2004 08:13 am (UTC)
1 hours after journal entry, 08:13 am (livredor's time)
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Aww, babe! You still having trouble? I'm really sorry to hear that. *hug*

It would suck for the lease to be in Will's sole name, but if that's the way to get you into the country, is it a worthwhile compromise?
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hatam_soferet: default
From:hatam_soferet
Date:June 21st, 2004 08:27 am (UTC)
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It's not that the lease would be in his name, but that he'd be signing a two-years' lease without me having seen the house. Would you commit to living in a place you'd never seen?

I'm going to have to buy ANOTHER flight, go in as a tourist, choose a house, sign a lease, and then come back while we wait for the next impossible demand.
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rysmiel: just very slightly mad
From:rysmiel
Date:June 21st, 2004 08:36 am (UTC)
2 hours after journal entry, 04:36 am (rysmiel's time)
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This is terrible, but I think the most depressing thing about it is how little it surprises me.
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lethargic_man: reflect
From:lethargic_man
Date:June 21st, 2004 09:16 am (UTC)
2 hours after journal entry, 09:16 am (lethargic_man's time)
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*sigh* Too true. Do you think if we got everyone in the US to read The Handmaid's Tale it would have any effect?
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ajollypyruvate: default
From:ajollypyruvate
Date:June 21st, 2004 10:31 am (UTC)
3 hours after journal entry, 02:31 am (ajollypyruvate's time)
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Myself, I would very much like a gmail account. thejollypyruvate at excite dot com, if you still have an invite code.

*sigh* That paranoia seems likely to become much worse before long.
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puzzlering: default
From:puzzlering
Date:June 21st, 2004 11:09 am (UTC)
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i'd love a gmail account if you still have an invite code going!

h AT generaladmin DOT com :) x
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draconid: default
From:draconid
Date:June 21st, 2004 11:10 am (UTC)
4 hours after journal entry, 11:10 am (draconid's time)
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If there's still an invite available, I would like (I believe you know my email address... ;) I know I said I signed up to a site that gives you invites, but that might take a while - and this way I can still share the love by giving invites to people on the site!
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(no subject) - monanotlisa (6/21/04 03:56 pm)
livredor: teapot
From:livredor
Date:June 22nd, 2004 01:07 am (UTC)
18 hours after journal entry, 01:07 am (livredor's time)
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There's nothing really to report; MK is fine, (apart from being annoyed that he can't complete his research project). He says: with hindsight it was rather amusing. But thanks for your concern.

As for Gmail, there's no need to apologize; it's no skin off my nose if you don't want an account! My attitude is that any email is basically insecure and I'd rather have an insecure email account that is also convenient. *shrug*
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pne: default
From:pne
Date:June 23rd, 2004 07:37 am (UTC)
2 days after journal entry, 08:37 am (pne's time)
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http://www.livejournal.com/community/gmail/20096.html

Privacy Problems May Be Larger Than They Appear(tm).

Which is more or less my opinion on the Gmail thing.
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darcydodo: gands
From:darcydodo
Date:June 26th, 2004 07:24 am (UTC)
5 days after journal entry, 01:24 am (darcydodo's time)
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Guh?!

Are you sure he wasn't deported because of visa issues, rather than because of security paranoia? The boyfriend of a guy in my choir is an Australian who was deported to Canada, and Australians undoubtedly are not going to be deported on account of security risks. And isn't MK a German national? (And also, what about the fact that he's married to someone English?) Something's really quite weird about the whole situation, IMO. But do give M my regards and sympathy and apologies for my country's idiocy.
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livredor: teeeeeeeeea (thanks to darcydodo)
From:livredor
Date:July 5th, 2004 11:23 am (UTC)
14 days after journal entry, 11:23 am (livredor's time)
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Are you sure he wasn't deported because of visa issues, rather than because of security paranoia?
Sure, the reason for the deportation was a visa technicality. But it's security paranoia that means that MK got deported rather than given a stern ticking off for a slight hitch in paperwork. And it's security paranoia that meant that he wasn't allowed to contact his American collaborators to get stuff sorted out, and complete the visa application on the spot. Not to mention the security paranoia which meant that if he chose to contest the deportation, he'd have to be in prison while the appeal was processed. Finally, though this is unrelated, it's security paranoia that meant that the fruits of three months of MK's work were held in customs for a week because they looked vaguely biological, leading to the destruction of his samples and no improvement in security.

And yes, MK is a German national married to a British national and (for a few more weeks at least) domiciled in the UK. I guess the problem may be partly that he doesn't 'look' European.
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