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livredor
Poll for lethargic_man
Friday, 13 August 2004 at 03:36 pm
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lethargic_man would like to conduct a wholly1 somewhat unscientific poll about the pronunciation of the word schedule. Note: we're looking for how you personally pronounce it, not references to authoritative sources.


Poll #335364 Schedule

How do you pronounce the initial sound of the word schedule

sh
31(35.2%)
sk
52(59.1%)
some other way
5(5.7%)

In what country did you learn to speak English?

England
51(58.6%)
USA
19(21.8%)
some other English-speaking country (please specify below)
13(14.9%)
I am not a native speaker of English
4(4.6%)

If you answered 'other' to the above question, where did you learn to speak English?


1] Removed cos lethargic_man took offence at the original description.


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pseudomonas: default
From:pseudomonas
Date:August 13th, 2004 08:37 am (UTC)
57 minutes after journal entry, 08:37 am (pseudomonas's time)
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I think I use both pronunciations, though possibly slightly favouring sh- .
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altacoustic: default
From:altacoustic
Date:August 13th, 2004 09:28 am (UTC)
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Me too,

I think I say

sh - when saying the schedule

sk - when saying it has been scheduled
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livredor: letters (thanks to darcydodo)
From:livredor
Date:August 13th, 2004 12:34 pm (UTC)
4 hours after journal entry, 12:34 pm (livredor's time)
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I have a feeling I use both, and I'm not sure what it depends on. Maybe the feel of the surrounding words? Certainly I don't have a strong sense for one or the other version.
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terriem: default
From:terriem
Date:August 13th, 2004 09:07 am (UTC)
1 hours after journal entry, 09:07 am (terriem's time)
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I'd love to answer, but the poll doesn't have my option - my Dad was in the Army, so I learned to speak English in various European countries.

Also, my Dad might object to your poll, because he learnt to speak English in a country slightly to the North of England. ;)
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livredor: ewe
From:livredor
Date:August 13th, 2004 12:43 pm (UTC)
5 hours after journal entry, 12:43 pm (livredor's time)
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I learned to speak English in various European countries
OK, I admit I didn't think of that possibility. But I also think that someone with that 'weird' a linguistic background would not provide terribly useful data for the poll, so I'm ok with missing you out.

Also, my Dad might object to your poll, because he learnt to speak English in a country slightly to the North of England
Well then, he could choose 'other' and write 'Scotland' in the free text box. The same goes for any other Scots. I don't see why everyone has such a problem with defining Scotland is an English-speaking country other than England!
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lisekit: Indie
From:lisekit
Date:August 13th, 2004 01:49 pm (UTC)
6 hours after journal entry
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don't see why everyone has such a problem with defining Scotland is an English-speaking country


!!!!


If that's not bait, then I don't know what is....
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livredor: ewe
From:livredor
Date:August 13th, 2004 01:59 pm (UTC)
6 hours after journal entry, 01:59 pm (livredor's time)
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Where's the problem? That Scotland is not a country? That the language spoken there isn't English? That Scotland should count as part of England? Do enlighten me - I was trying so hard not to offend!
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lisekit: Festive
From:lisekit
Date:August 13th, 2004 02:08 pm (UTC)
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I'm gonna quote this directly:

"Wellthenyashouldaputscotlandasanoption!"
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terriem: default
From:terriem
Date:August 13th, 2004 07:39 pm (UTC)
12 hours after journal entry, 07:39 pm (terriem's time)
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But I also think that someone with that 'weird' a linguistic background would not provide terribly useful data for the poll, so I'm ok with missing you out.

Fair enough. For the record, if you do decide to assess my weird use of language, I say schedule with a sk.

I don't see why everyone has such a problem with defining Scotland as an English-speaking country other than England!

Sorry about the fuss - after years of listening to both Scotland-raised parents (who now live in England) complaining about bias against themselves and their countrymen, defense is a natural habit. Why not mention us, if we were part of the group you wanted to target?
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lisekit: default
From:lisekit
Date:August 13th, 2004 09:43 am (UTC)
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Hen, ah hufty tell ye, ye should hae put "UK" instead ae "England" in yir poll!
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ewx: default
From:ewx
Date:August 13th, 2004 10:14 am (UTC)
2 hours after journal entry, 10:14 am (ewx's time)
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There's enough variaton within the UK that distinguishing the different bits of the UK from another another would seem like a good idea. (I imagine the same is true of the USA.)
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livredor: teeeeeeeeea (thanks to darcydodo)
From:livredor
Date:August 13th, 2004 12:59 pm (UTC)
5 hours after journal entry, 12:59 pm (livredor's time)
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distinguishing the different bits of the UK from another another would seem like a good idea
Indeed, that was exactly my plan. Offending all the patriotic Scots was not the intention at all *sigh*.

I imagine the same is true of the USA.
Yes, I should possibly have included regions within the USA, and finer grained British regions than just the constituent countries. But I was too lazy (and didn't think I'd get a big enough sample for meaningful data) to ask for that level of detail.
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livredor: default
From:livredor
Date:August 13th, 2004 12:55 pm (UTC)
5 hours after journal entry, 12:55 pm (livredor's time)
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But I wanted to know if there was a difference between Scots and English usage! That's a large part of the reason why I included the 'other' option.
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lisekit: summery
From:lisekit
Date:August 13th, 2004 01:56 pm (UTC)
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Fair dinkum, but if it was part of your study, then you should have included it as an option in the poll itself (rather than hoping the "other" option would clarify the issue).
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chickenfeet2003: default
From:chickenfeet2003
Date:August 13th, 2004 10:16 am (UTC)
2 hours after journal entry, 05:16 am (chickenfeet2003's time)
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Actually I tend to somewhere between the two because I can never remember which one is supposed to mark one out as an American as opposed to a Canadian.

On another note, isn't ait scary when the hairy McHaggisses come out in force.
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smogo: default
From:smogo
Date:August 13th, 2004 11:01 am (UTC)
3 hours after journal entry, 11:01 am (smogo's time)
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Any England-educated person who says 'skeduled' is wrong. 'Skeduled' is the American form.
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From:lyssiae
Date:August 13th, 2004 01:00 pm (UTC)
5 hours after journal entry
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Well, excuse me.
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bibliofile: default
From:bibliofile
Date:August 13th, 2004 02:49 pm (UTC)
7 hours after journal entry, 08:49 am (bibliofile's time)

Take that!

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Interestingly, the poll seems to reinforce my interpretation that "shedyoole" is merely the poncy British pronounciation of the word.
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smogo: default
From:smogo
Date:August 13th, 2004 03:43 pm (UTC)
8 hours after journal entry, 03:43 pm (smogo's time)

Re: Take that!

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By 'poncy' you mean 'correct', right?
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livredor: ewe
From:livredor
Date:August 13th, 2004 11:50 pm (UTC)
16 hours after journal entry, 11:50 pm (livredor's time)
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Prosciptivist!

(There's always one...)
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pne: default
From:pne
Date:August 13th, 2004 11:46 am (UTC)
4 hours after journal entry, 12:46 pm (pne's time)
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I grew up in Germany and learned English from my English father, so I'm a native speaker but learned English in a non-English-speaking country.

My accent was initially British (I don't know whether my father has a regional accent; I think it's simply something like "educated middle-class"), until I came to school, which deposited an American accent layer on top.

Now that I've been out of school for years, my "default" accent is mostly English again, but the mixture occasionally makes me unsure about things. (And I sometimes pronounce words incorrectly that I've seen mostly in print, e.g. "formidable", where I keep forgetting whether it's FOR-midable or for-MID-able.)

I think I could say either, and I'm not sure which one I'd use more often or which one seems more correct to me. Maybe sk-, though, which is what I voted for.

Incidentally, I think I say "skedjool" but "shedyool", i.e. the sound in the middle varies depending on which variant of the word I use.
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wychwood: default
From:wychwood
Date:August 13th, 2004 12:29 pm (UTC)
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I say both... depends on how I feel at the time, really :)
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